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Bullet5 Video "Wehret den Anfängen" (Why voting NO - subtitles in English)

More democracy ... ? - Not at all !
German Constitutional Court
The Irish only can decide directly
"It is our duty to live in peace together"
Superpower the declared goal
Decisions in Brussel
Wars of aggression are part of policy
Policemen afraid of what to be used for soon
"Right can only be based on freedom."
" ... do not harm others. That is freedom."
Business competitiveness is the treatys prinziple
The Country-of-origin principle ...
... has desastrous consequences
Food-safety standards
Free movement of capital
Many peoples are already suffering greatly
Wars of aggression explicitly stated
Former ARD-Corrrespondent: "No trust in such a European Union"
EU does not recognize human rights UN conventions
Only laws adopted democratically implement justice
Conditions of the Constitutional Court ignored
Even Members of the German Parliament don't know the treaties content
Europea Court of Justice
Rulings of the European Court of justice prevail
Danger of getting a police state
More balance and direct voice needed
Privatization of water, theatres and even of schools
Encourage the Irish to say NO
"Protection of gentech patents, would stand above poisoned patients"
"Monsanto writes curricula for biology"
"Event tasks of sole state sovereignty ..."
"Legal bloodshed - even if they peaceful"
"It is not legal, to put the EU above anything else"
"I am scared of the Treaty of Lisbon"
"We need a say in the decisions"
Leo Tolstoi once said ...
"Have the courage to start a peaceful revolution ..."
MORE INFORMATION
About a video with background informations about the Lisbon Treaty concerning democracy, constitution, basic law, freedom, civil and human rights with statements of Prof. Karl A. Schatzschneider, a German constitution law expert: snapshots and text extracts.

Short before ratifiying in Germany by President Köhler, Prof. Schatzschneider - and two others - did a constitution complaint against the Lisbon Treaty.
Weblinks:
VIDEO
Wehret den Anfängen
Why voting NO -
subtitles in English

Produced by
NuoViso

Extracts from the video "Wehret den Anfängen" (Why voting NO) below .. screenshot and citations.

NOTE: The video was made in Germany. But nearly every fact mentioned applies to all other countries in the European Union (EU) as well, and in the same way.



More democracy ... ? - Not at all !




"The politicians constant talk about the Lisbon Treaty strengthening democracy has been refuted by the constitutional court. Strengthening the European Parliament does not mean more democracy. Not at all!"

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 01:07 min.



German Constitutional Court




[German Constitutional Court's ruling:] "The constitution accepts the Treaty of Lisbon, but requires strengthened parliamentary responsibility for integration at the national level. But it does not permit joining a federal European state. In Germany a new constitution would be necessary for such an act."


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 01:23 min.



The Irish only can decide directly




"Ireland is the only EU country where the citizens could decide directly."

German News (ARD)


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 02:13 min.



"It is our duty to live in peace together"




"It is our duty to live in peace together. And peoples can live in peace best when their relations are ruled by law. But that doesn't mean setting up a tyranny."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 03:45 min.



Superpower the declared goal




"And the superpower which is the declared goal of it all -- the Treaty of Lisbon is only an interim measure -- will not be free, has no chance of being free, has no chance of being democratic and ruled by law."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 04:11 min.



Decisions in Brussel




"If the Treaty of Lisbon comes into force, German citizens will have very little to say, because then everything will be decided in Brussels, and our deputies will have nothing to say."

Jürgen Elsässer (Germany), Volksinitiative


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 04:33 min.



Wars of aggression are part of policy




"Our own politicians are undermining our constitution and handing over power to still fewer people in Brussels and Strassbourg. We will be militarized, forced into an arms race. Wars of aggression, which our constitution forbids, will no longer be banned, but part of policy."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 05:02 min.



Policemen afraid of what to be used for soon




"I spoke to policemen today whose union has already heard what they are supposed to be used for soon. Some of these policemen are at least as afraid of this EU dictatorship -- that's what it is -- as we are. So there are people of the same mind, and we have to inform them even more."

Johannes Heckmann, peace activist


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 06:31 min.



"Right can only be based on freedom."




"Proper politics can only be implementing the right. Right can only be based on freedom. But here in Germany people misunderstand freedom. Of course freedom doesn't mean the right to kick other in the shins."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 06:44 min.



" ... do not harm others. That is freedom."




"Freedom is only the right to our rights. Everyone does what they please, as long as they do not harm others. That is freedom.
One's actions always have to take others into account."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 07:20 min.



Business competitiveness is the treatys prinziple




"It is not like our constitution, which starts with .. 'Human dinity is unvoilable.' No: Business competitiveness is the prinziple of the Treaty of Lisbon and the EU treaties."

Klaus Buchner, Plaintiff against Lisbon Treaty


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 08:12 min.



The Country-of-origin principle ...




Country-of-origin principle: "So we now have 27 legal systems that apply in Germany. How many deputies know that?"

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 09:10 min.



... has desastrous consequences




"The Country-of-origin principle, derived from fundamental freedoms, has disastrous consequences."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 09:32 min.



Food-safety standards




"This has lowered food-safety standards by up to 1500%, pesticide limits etc. So the country-of-origin principle has weakened consumer protection greatly.
I could go on and on about all the abuses due to the country-of-origin principle."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 10:23 min.



Free movement of capital




"We would not have this economic crisis, a crisis of the financial markets, if the treaty did not provide for free movement of capital. Free movement of capital must not be restricted between member states and with all other countries.
We prescribed a worldwide free movement of capital, which is the basis of this unfettered capitalism."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 11:23 min.



Many peoples are already suffering greatly




".. from we are now all suffering, and which will force our people and other peoples to tighten their belts. A lot tighter! Many peoples are already suffering greatly: Hungary, the Baltic states and others.
This crime -- a crime -- is basically a political responsibility."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 11:46 min.



Wars of aggression explicitly stated




"But even worse is the militarization, to which article 42 of this new EU treaty explizitly obliges us. Constant increases in arms. And even more scandalous: grounds for wars of aggression are explicitly stated."

Klaus Buchner, Plaintiff against Lisbon Treaty


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 12:00 min.







"I look at Afghanistan. We all heard what happened there yesterday. Forty to fifty civilians were bombed by the US Air Force. It is quite clear that the pilots knew what was down below. There weren't any Taliban anymore."

Christoph Hörstel,
Journalist, former ARD-Afghanistan correspondent
Speaker of the 'Friedenskreis Deutschland'


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 12:32 min.



Former ARD-Corrrespondent: "No trust in such a European Union"




"How could we do this? We have satellites, drones, and the fighter pilots themselves, who could see that it was children. I have no trust in a European Union that participates in that."

Christoph Hörstel,
Journalist, former ARD-Afghanistan correspondent
Speaker of the 'Friedenskreis Deutschland'


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 13:25 min.



EU does not recognize human rights UN conventions




"We need to understand that the EU does not recognize the UN conventions, including the UN conventions on human rights. Instead the much weaker European human-rights conventions applies. And that states explicitly that, in case of riot or rebellion, they can shoot to kill.
Friends, is that what we want? Is that our democracy?"

Klaus Buchner, Plaintiff against Lisbon Treaty


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 13:36 min.



Only laws adopted democratically implement justice




"There is no rule of law without democracy. Democracy means implementing general freedom. And the rule of law means just the same. A nation ruled by law wants to and must implement this by law. But only laws adopted democratically implement justice.
All other laws are violations of freedom.
Control is the opposite of freedom, and a court keep talking about control does not understand freedom."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 14:09 min.



Conditions of the Constitutional Court ignored




"The four conventional parties, the Christian Democrats, Free Democrats, Social Democrats, and Greens, voted for this treaty. They voted for the collateral laws which explicitly ignore the conditions imposed by the Constitutional Court."

Klaus Buchner, Plaintiff against Lisbon Treaty


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 16:24 min.



Even Members of the German Parliament don't know the treaties content




"The deputies in the Bundestag didn't even get a consolidated version of the draft. They have no idea what's in it. I talked to the deputies at home in Duisburg, and none of them knew what was in this treaty."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the band Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 17:27 min.



Europea Court of Justice




"The European Court of Justice exercises an unrestricted priority of Community law over national legal systems, including constitutions. The German Constitutional Court disagrees, but never put that into practice. All it does is impose restrictions.
Other courts, like the Czech and the Polish Constitutional Courts, also impose restrictions.
But what does that mean? In practice the European Court of Justice imposes its will."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 18:50 min.



Rulings of the European Court of justice prevail




"Austria is specially goodie-goodie, and subordinates its legal system entirely to the Community legal system and the decisions of the European court of justice.
So whatever a constitution says, the rulings of the European Court of justice prevail."

Prof. Karl A. Schachtschneider (Germany)
constitutional law expert


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 19:44 min.



Danger of getting a police state




"What's also very important is that security will suffer internally, from the Big Brother state and too much police power.
That cannot be good for Europe. So we need to make sure that our freedoms are strengthened instead of weakness if we centralize.
Otherwise, the whole thing will only become a dictorial centralized state. That is certainly not what people in Europe want.
[Demontrators:] We are Europe -- dump Lisbon!"

Christoph Hörstel,
Journalist, former ARD-Afghanistan correspondent
Speaker of the 'Friedenskreis Deutschland'


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 20:16 min.



More balance and direct voice needed




"The important thing, if we want to join Europe together, then of course the people will have to give up some of their rights, no question about it; but there needs to be a balance. In return for strengthening the central power, the "plebiscitary element" needs to be strengthened at the same time, the direct voice of the peoples, so that there is a balance between the centre and the individual peoples and regions.
That would be a democratic Europe.
But what the Treaty of Lisbon provides for is an undemocratic Europe that is completely planned already, for sure. We cannot accept that."

Christoph Hörstel,
Journalist, former ARD-Afghanistan correspondent
Speaker of the 'Friedenskreis Deutschland'


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 20:54 min.



Privatization of water, theatres and even of schools




"It will go so far that not only things as your water supply or your theatres will be privatized, but even your schools. Then you will not be able to decide what your children will learn.
It's a big-business dictatorship their are forcing on us. And nobody in Germany is being told about it, and apparently nowhere else in Europe, either."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 21:32 min.



Encourage the Irish to say NO




"And we would like to encourage the Irish to say "NO", because they are able to vote on it, and we are not allowed to."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 21:32 min.



"Protection of gentech patents, would stand above poisoned patients"


Screenshots and citations from the Song "Angst vor Lissabon" (Scared of Lisbon) by the German group 'Die Bandbreite' ...



[Song text:] "They have nodded it through, the ladies and gentlemen in the Bundestag, not knowing what it really was based on. Our basic and our human rights, would be put beneath what's useful liked by big business is.
Protection of genetech patents, would stand above poisoned patients."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 22:22 min.

Video "Angst vor Lissabon" (Scared of Lissabon) only: here


"Monsanto writes curricula for biology"




[Song text:] "Swindles because of the guaranteeing state, more and more tasks from now on go private. Monsanto writes curricula for biology, then children learn, gene technology is just not so horrible."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 22:37 min.

Video "Angst vor Lissabon" (Scared of Lissabon) only: here


"Event tasks of sole state sovereignty ..."




[Song text:] "If Bertelsmann is running the tax office at , they certainly are not afraid of tax investigations. Event tasks of sole state sovereignty, slide away into the swamp of our private economy. "

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 22:45 min.

Video "Angst vor Lissabon" (Scared of Lissabon) only: here


"Legal bloodshed - even if they peaceful"




[Song text:] "Insurgence and riot would be allowed to be shot down, according to the pact, this would be legal bloodshed. Even if they peaceful - like once in the GDR demontrate without incident."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 23:16 min.

Video "Angst vor Lissabon" (Scared of Lissabon) only: here


"It is not legal, to put the EU above anything else"




[Song text:] "Supranationality - it is a lie, it is not legal, to put the EU above anything else."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 23:31 min.

Video "Angst vor Lissabon" (Scared of Lissabon) only: here


"I am scared of the Treaty of Lisbon"




[Song text:] "I am scared of the Treaty of Lisbon, of the new EU and of Bertelsmann, I am afraid of the banner with stars, of a Europe of all-powerful trusts."

Marcel Wojnarowicz (Germany),
Independent candidate in German general elections 2009
Member of the music group Die Bandbreite


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 22:45 min.

Video "Angst vor Lissabon" (Scared of Lissabon) only: here


"We need a say in the decisions"




"We want peace! And for that we need a say in the decisions.
We want social justice! And for that we need a say in the decisions.
And if we don't get it, we will take it! We want a right to a greater say in Europe!
We don't want to merely watch the nations hand over rights to headquarters, and that's that.
That can only be good for big business and the powerful. It is bad for us, and that can be measured."

Christoph Hörstel,
Journalist, former ARD-Afghanistan correspondent
Speaker of the 'Friedenskreis Deutschland'


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 24:25 min.




Leo Tolstoi once said ...




"Leo Tolstoi once said: 'As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlegrounds.'
We are struggeling against war on several fronts; because there is a war going on, ignored by the public, the war of human beings against animals"

Speaker of a protection of animals party


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 24:59 min.



"Have the courage to start a peaceful revolution ..."




"But in the same way, we struggle against the war of human beings against human beings. So I can call you:
Have the courage to start a peaceful revolution in this country, in order to finally change this system, so that we have peace and human policies!"

Speaker of a protection of animals party


From Video 'Why voting NO', see at position: 25:24 min.





MORE INFORMATION

WEBSITES

Campaign 'No means NO' (English and German) -
English | German

European Movement - (English)
Website | Lisbon Treaty facts


Twitter

On Twitter (English) -
VoteNo2Lisbon | LisbonTreaty2 | Why_voting_NO

On Twitter (English & German) -
no_means_no | EUrope2People | Irlandkampagne

On Twitter (German) -
EUrope4People | Lissabonvertrag | Todesstrafe




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